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~~@RedRaven:~~
> Well figured I would get this race on for the tweaking.
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> First suggestion Ok, Titans/Collossi have double damage against evil. (not sure if double but bear with it for argument sake). I presume this is because they are some champion of good or something. Well there should be a counterpart on the evil side and I would put forth the idea it should be the Vamps. Now the evil champ might not necessarily get the double damage vs good but maybe its counterpart they would receive half damage from good opponents. Yes this would only negate vs Titans. But Titans vs any other evil would still get the effect and it would be a true bonus for vamps vs any other good. (sort of a racial protection from good thing). Alternately they could get the double damage bonus also. This would even up some of the unfair pk where it seems to be all about hp and who does more damage faster than about mana amounts or skill.
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> Second, I think the sun damage either needs to be tweaked down or some sort of skill spell put in for them to drastically reduce it (or up effectiveness of Temperance). A fully remorted, maxxed, Temperance mastered, stone skinned, 90 year old+ Fiend should be able to run from Aehtilforge to Mystica at midday without having to stop to heal several times or dyeing. It is only roughly 30 rooms, just a hop skip and a jump.
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> Anyways add, detract and flame away. Lets see what gets going here.
lol the only reason its vs titan is because you want to be able to beat me :lol: nice try tho
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How about just remove any plus damages for good vs. evil? A good idiology, but just doesn't make sense.
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I dob't care much for Vamps because they **SUCK!** :D
Seriously, I don't think any race should be jacked up with bonuses. Good or Evil they should even out pretty much. It's like the Jolly Green Giant going to Oz and beating the crap out of the Munchkins. I know it's a pain to figure out the balances but it should be implemented`.. keep the chars. even .. fair.
just my two cents. :roll:
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I'm inclined to agree with Ithilidin.
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I didn't know that Titans have double damage vs evil… I thought that slayers were supposed to be the ones sent forth to "slay" evil (or do they also get it?).
Anyway, making things even would be good indeed.
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no arkain if you read properly , you would see it was suggested vs all good. Just that it would negate/balance the vs titans and would be a true plus vs other good races.
What I want is something that would balance the unbalanced pk advantage that Titans have vs evil and vs vamp especially, cuz even though you cant use atm, when you hit 120 u will use the ataraxia which if you do the math gives u the ability to hit a vamp/fiend for something like 2k damage per hit and UP TO 7 hits per round thru sanc, No one can compete no matter how much mana healing they have against 14k damage per round.
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~~@RedRaven:~~
> no arkain if you read properly , you would see it was suggested vs all good. Just that it would negate/balance the vs titans and would be a true plus vs other good races.
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> What I want is something that would balance the unbalanced pk advantage that Titans have vs evil and vs vamp especially, cuz even though you cant use atm, when you hit 120 u will use the ataraxia which if you do the math gives u the ability to hit a vamp/fiend for something like 2k damage per hit and UP TO 7 hits per round thru sanc, No one can compete no matter how much mana healing they have against 14k damage per round.
14k damage per round? rofl i like your math…. lol slayers are suspose to do +25% damage to evil shit.. why dont u bitch about them instead i bet they do more then i would with a ataraxia... you are just trying to make excuses why you suck :lol: Spunky is evil and vul to silver and holy... and he can beat me... so whats that say redraven????
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"Slayers are supposed to do +25% damage to evil shit.. why don't u bitch about them instead i bet they do more then i would with a ataraxia"
I'm sorry, but if slayers only get +25% and titans get +100%, how can slayers do more damage?
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lol….. i love how you guys just wnana fuck over titans because you guys cant beat me... makes me laugh... :)
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before i actually make a comment about damages, ect…lets all remember before pk counters...before pk changes..before all that, arkain you were a fucking walking punching bag. dont fucking whine about "you were bigger, blah blah" bc now you do the same thing. and on a side note, i think i got something, but i'll let you see it when i'm done getting a few new items..then we'll see biotch...you forget who was on the wrong end of the knife before, and now that you(and it really isnt that special) have some kind of talent, you are some pk god. i've seen your stats here and elsewhere, and your percentages blow assnuggets. so just quit the pissing contest on here, take it where it belongs and stfu bc we are tired of hearing you talk about how you are so great, when the bottom line is your not(and yes this flame belongs elsewhere, but thats the last flame here about it from me) and never will be anywhere close to having the same finesse, the same class and dignity, and same mannerism as me. so stop trying to be me and lets all be creative in discussing the present topic.
but on to the good stuff.
as far as pk damage, why not just go back to how it was before any changes were made? everyone did the same amount without reference to evil vs good, no one was calling things unfair or unbalanced...then later on, we can slowly test and add pk adjustments as we go.
Since its logical to put in good vs evil and vice versa damage, why not do it on a smaller scale? instead of 25%, how about something small as a test, say 10%? then the stacking of damage (for instance, slayer with an antievil weapon would do 20% extra, ect) wouldnt be so overwhelming. i've noticed in a few arena battles with ith that i can take about 1200-1400 damage a round if a decent amount of attacks get thru, and his circle can do 800 at times. i've yet to test the new weapon i'm using on him effectively bc he got disconnected halfway thru and we lost the damage threads...but i'd like for me and him to test those damages again and see what i do in a round.
as for vamps, i think the sunlight thing with temperence mastered should drastically reduce sunlight damage (down to less than 50 per space moved at times). esp with fiends, since fiends are no longer really vampires in the pure sense of things. another small innovation could be that bite drains life/mana/movement back to the vampire/fiend, which maybe would make it a more viable pk skill.
open to constructive critisisms and discussion..but honestly, lets drop the pissing contest or take it elsewhere.
Soth
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~~@Soth:~~
> before i actually make a comment about damages, ect…lets all remember before pk counters...before pk changes..before all that, arkain you were a fucking walking punching bag. dont fucking whine about "you were bigger, blah blah" bc now you do the same thing. and on a side note, i think i got something, but i'll let you see it when i'm done getting a few new items..then we'll see biotch...you forget who was on the wrong end of the knife before, and now that you(and it really isnt that special) have some kind of talent, you are some pk god. i've seen your stats here and elsewhere, and your percentages blow assnuggets. so just quit the pissing contest on here, take it where it belongs and stfu bc we are tired of hearing you talk about how you are so great, when the bottom line is your not(and yes this flame belongs elsewhere, but thats the last flame here about it from me) and never will be anywhere close to having the same finesse, the same class and dignity, and same mannerism as me. so stop trying to be me and lets all be creative in discussing the present topic.
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> Soth
Soth… what color is the sky in your world?
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Apparently we have all missed some basic ideas within this post. I would like a few things pointed out to me.
When was this post originally intended to be a direct assault on you, Arkain?
When did it become constructive to degrade people responding to your posts?
Why can't we look at the objectively instead of with the standard "you suck, no you suck" formula that seems to overtake our message boards?
I have very little knowledge of the races, but I'm learning what I can from people that sound like they've done their research. This should be a lesson to everyone: Presentation is everything. If you come out swinging and defensive, you are taken much less seriously with regards to something that is intellectual rather than physical.
eRT
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i did my research…ive deduced the following...
I like cookies.
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> I have very little knowledge of the races, but I'm learning what I can from people that sound like they've done their research. This should be a lesson to everyone
I've listened to what everyone has been saying since I first joined Sentience and in my opinion, Arkain is a hypocritical bully of the first kind. It could just be his nature though, Soth comes on like a grouchy prk when I know him to be fair & decent. Spunky's a good guy when he's not killing your mount. There are so many others to numerous to name. I come for the ppl as much as the game. Ppl need to chill and just have fun. This probably belongs elsewhere but I don't know where. Peace friends.
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its blue. now constructive only comments or go to hell :)
anyway, back to task…
i was thinking something about vamps that could use some work...
when we shift, it still shows our auras and whatnot, which is a dead giveaway that we are there...defeating the point of sneaking up on prey..that could be something else to work on, and its been brought up before :)
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Hmm.. that could work. If you look at it from a logical standpoint, you think, "but even if they change shape, that doesn't remove the sight of a pulsating aura about someone…" But then, this is a game, so who needs logic? Some sense of reality has to be sacrificed for the sake of fun.. so I say go for it, don't show the auras.
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In my opinion, vampires are fine. The only thing I would change is the whole thing about the auras. And that, I think, should be determined by the % of the shape skill. I believe that the sun damage is rather reasonable if you think about it. Really you're lucky you get to take more than one step in that sun. You're deathly allergic to it after all. You have plenty to make up for it I think. The shape is quite a good bit. Feign is rather beneficial too, if you use it right. Then of course, you have shift, bite, consume, and a few other things I think.
Just plan around it. Hang around in a dungeon or something during the daytime, and creep around at night. Not too hard to do really.
That's what I think anyway. If you can't tolerate the sun damage, then stay indoors or don't be a vampire.
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vamps really arent all the screwed up if you ask me, the sun thing is a little lame, and the holy damage that they take is insane. I still say remove all the holy aspects from the game until there's something to help balance it. I dont mean to pick on arkain like everyone else, but im not even a vamp and im still gettin owned by that holy crap. Here's a log, enjoy the presentation of insanity…
Keep in mind that i had sanc on during this beatdown session..
SpuNK! <2673hp 5001sp 3297mv 173
Someone's holy fire devastates you.
Someone's holy fire MUTILATES you!
With amazing agility you swerve someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
You parry someone's attack.
You nimbly backflip away from someone's attack.
Your slash mauls someone.
Your slash mauls someone.
Your slash mauls someone.
Someone dodges your attack.
Your pierce devastates someone.
SpuNK! <2673hp 5001sp 3297mv 173
Someone circles around behind you.
Someone's circle MANGLES you!
SpuNK! <746hp 5001sp 3296mv 173
Someone's holy fire *** DEMOLISHES *** you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You stumble around blindly!
Despite your attempts to move, the webs hold you in place.
PANIC! You couldn't escape!
You parry someone's attack.
Someone's holy fire does UNSPEAKABLE things to you!
You sure are BLEEDING!
You stumble around blindly!
Despite your attempts to move, the webs hold you in place.
PANIC! You couldn't escape!
You parry someone's attack.
You nimbly backflip away from someone's attack.
With amazing agility you swerve someone's attack.
Your slash mauls someone.
Your slash decimates someone.
Someone parries your attack.
Someone nimbly backflips away from your attack.
Someone parries your attack.
I was silence/blind at the time but ill guarantee you that's arkain.
Anyway, you all know im not a whiner...USUALLY..but as you can see ..a circle taking me from 2673 hp to 749 is a biiiit much. With that kind of damage added to silence=not being able to heal, i, nor anyone who has a holy vuln stands a chance in hell.
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oh and sorry bout the mount thing pecus, i just get really bored at times :P
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~~@Spunky:~~
> ..a circle taking me from 2673 hp to 749 …
Jebus that's absurd.
