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Ok, you know how lichs are ... well, corpses? So why not give them a racial feign skill? I mean, duh. They are already corpses. ;) They just have to lay down. :) Which also implies that the mere act of "sleeping" ought to make them look like corpse objects. And, what would make it better is if the "feigning" can only be seen through by some kind of awareness (ie, if you see them you have to "look corpse" and you'd just see a corpse). Perhaps have something like 'detect animate' or 'detect life' or 'detect undead'. Of course, LIVING characters would not be able to achieve this since they are not corpses after all.
Along this idea, fiends could be set up such that THEIR shapes are perfect to those that can't see passed the veil of deception. When I say perfect, I mean that if a fiend player shaped into a poodle, you would have to type "look poodle" to see the fiend. And what you see would be the description of the mob, not the fiend. Of course, those that can see through this would have no trouble type "look player". However, I think they should be made to see the mob description, unless they have some kind of vision that let's them see the mob's true form.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Sages have that ability? (to see passed vampiric shapes) Well, I think they should be able to see pass LICH feigns too, just with less success? I mean, lichs ARE corpses after all and a lich that is laying still could very well just be dead. :)
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Nope, we don't have the ability to see through shifts. Just a natural detect hidden.
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They should probably have that ability then…. Sagelike it is...
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Well, maybe you should! :D
Oh, also, I think vampires and fiends should be able to sense that another fiend/vampire is a kindred spirit, even if they are shape'd.
And, have some kind of holy spell that can make any undead creature disintegrate limbs at a time. :D Not kill them persay, that would be too powerful during PK. Or, have it where it can only work for things like holy water. That brings up an idea. Blessing a fountain of *water* (just water) should make it turn into "holy water". Maybe have a holy water terrain? :) Any vampire/fiend/lich touching it would feel the affects of it.
And, I think that anyone should be able to throw potions at targets (mobs, players, objects, directions, etc). Seems a shame that only alchemists would be able to do that. Though, perhaps have the spells work differently, or less effectively, like a potion of poison having one-third of the normal chance at succeeding.
Now another idea. :D
Another idea for Archmages. Allow them to be able to manifest their mana as pure force… a 'mana blast'. The purpose is to clear out the room of mobs and loose items. Anything that is blown away is forced through any open exit. Maybe allow the spell to shatter any doors if the spell is strong enough. I say strong enough because I think the "target" of the spell should be a number, indicating how much more mana added to the spell's mana cost should be used in the spell. So if you need a stronger blast, simply pump more mana into it. Now, this would not necessarily clear out EVERYTHING that could be blown. If a mob is too strong or has some spell that repels/deflects it, the mob will stay put. Also, aggressives should NOT be affected by this. Can just see the abuse with that if they were. This should be usable in a fight though. :D The problem is that you should have no idea which direction your opponent went. Maybe allow the spell, if the difference between the spell strength and the object/mob are significant, to blast the items for multiple rooms.
Ok, that is all for now. :)
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Damn you have some nice ideas
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Shaped vamps/fiends who are pk should not show the pk flag either unless of course the viewer has true sight which sees thru the shape anyways.
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hrm, almost forgot, if lichs get natural feign so should vamp/fiends, they are also undead maybe easier to see thru, but still some form of it.. (just before anyone says anything, I have feign from being a necro, so this isnt a benefit me type of suggestion)
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Well, feign is meant to make you look like a corpse. And since vampire/fiends can shape, I see no reason why thay can't shape into a lich/corpse for the feign. :) But that's not up to me to decide, but I would assume that they should be able to do that.
Though, technically, if all markers of a vampire/fiend are removed during a shape, having a feign skill would be somewhat pointless. :) … somewhat.
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I like the lich idea myself, however, I don't think we need to give natural feign to anyone. seems like that would be a phenomenol pk tool that would put them over the top. I think that maybe when a lich is sleeping they look like a corpse. This would be mainly evasive. Do corpses show up on scan? I forget.
The mana idea confused me a little, but it sounded extremely powerful and would need to be toned down. But keep developing these.
eRTAI!~!
edit: I don't think we need any more negatives for vamps. They seem to be the most altered race (shape/feign/bite for pk bonus and holy sword/evil weapons/lots of vulns for pk negatives) I think we need to start finding things to make other races more unique rather than working on a "destroy all evil/good/neut" theme
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to be honest, i cant remember the last time i used feign in a pk area…
lying down, not being able to look around...since most ppl have sneak, they can walk in without me seeing them, and get the jump on me instead. its handy for evasions if you are in a pk church (though i cant remember if you can track someone who is feigning or not), for pk, its just not that useful in my opinion.
soth
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Well shaped feign works nicely Soth. And there are ways to defeat sneak. I have used it a few times. Shape as an indigenous then feign, people scanning dont see you and even if they sneak in, they just think it is a local mob that has been killed.
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true enough, except ppl like me sac every corpse we can ;) if i see one that isnt sac'able, i'd go on the offense
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How about, if you sacrifice a vampire/fiend that's shaped and feigned… you bring a holy force down upon them and kill them for real? ;)
Nah, just send them to recall since they weren't dead? Though, that could be abused. Emphasis on could. Only reason you'd do the shape/feign combo is to elude someone in a PK environment. Of course, how would that be handled in the wilderness, since there's no recall there.
Also, another thing about feign. Perhaps at each tick that you are feigned, it does a skill test to see if you can maintain the appearance of being dead. Messages of failure could range from you twitching slightly to you losing the pose altogether. On the other hand, if you are quite proficient at feigning, you should be able to look around (and even do commands that have nothing to do with IC, like channel commands! :P). Although, unless you have mastered it, there's a chance people will notice the movement of your eyes. Another thing could be that if you have a high percentage rating (say 95% or above ?) and there's already a corpse in the room, you can attempt to mimic the corpse. Though, that would require some sort of disguise skill. :)
Ok, switching a bit:
Ertai, not sure if you misunderstood the 'mana blast' (or whatever would be appropriate) spell. It shouldn't be designed to injure anyone, unless they are mobs and/or PKer (and you're PK), and atmost it should only be due to them smacking into something so the magnitude should be minor. :) A use I could think of is to clear EVERYONE out of a room that has an anchor object with unique treasure item in it, or just to help with escape. Or just to be a pest in a fight. :D
Next, what kind of spells do Illusionists have? o.O Do they even HAVE anything dealing with illusions or mental attacks? I've always thought that for one to make someone believe in illusions, they'd need to have some kind of mental control over them. Examples could be if there aren't any spells:
'illusionary ' - creates an illusion of the particular type. Anyone that believes the item is real will be affected by it. If they don't, well, perhaps it would do nothing or simply vanish.
'veil of deception' - Allows an illusionist to create a veil over an exit, setting the description that is seen by those that believe it.
'hallucination' - Causes the victim to see things, even to see things that aren't there. An interesting part of hallucinations would be to have it possible for someone hallucinating to attack a mob that is only there in their mind. Would be funny to have someone legitimately "fighting thin air?", and even funnier to see them lose (only to be knocked unconscious instead of die).
'amnesia' - Originally I thought of this as an archmage spell idea, but it makes since to have it an illusionary spell, since the victim could snap out of it if they BELIEVE they have all their skills and abilities. The jist is to make the victim's skills and spells read as 1%, even if they had them mastered, temporarily of course. Even the illusion will wear off as the magic fades. :)
Next, you were talking about no sound and mental attacks:
I do believe Charm is a mental attack (unless that was taken out?). I'd have to say Scry that lichs have ought to have some mental undertone to it. Anyone with a resistance or immunity to mental attacks should be un-Scry-able (or near impossible). Sound attacks, hmm. Perhaps give something to a remort race or two. A spell attack could be 'cause deafness' as opposed to 'cause blindness', causes you to go deaf and unable to see messages that deals with sound.
That's all for now. :D
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well, charm is almost underused in pk….mobs, its fine...but charm basically isnt something ppl use in pk..i think i did it to pepper once...what i dont like about charm is, if they are completely under your control, they can still log out..
makes it a pain..
shrug
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True enough on the trying to sac the corpse Soth, but that lets me see you and I still get that instant of surprise. With the less pk savvy it works, people like Dorkain, (did I say thaaat???), I really wouldnt expect it to work on people who have the "street smarts", sorta like the portal into pk areas. :)
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I always felt like people who stepped into mysterious portals that appeared before them kinda deserved whatever they got.
Edit: Dammit, didn't realize this one went up. Sorry was an accident.
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I always felt like people who stepped into mysterious portals that appeared before them kinda deserved whatever they got.
Or are you talking about the other way around?
In that case, you'd be pretty dumb to just sit there when a portal appeared before you in a PK room. I know I'd start moving my butt. If they're friendly, they can tell me ahead of time they're coming.
Personally I don't think the game should be idiot-safe. If you're dumb enough to sit there or enter the portal, then take what you get.
