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This comes from all the battles I have had against Loba, and a couple of bards, some info may not be totally correct, but i am pretty sure I have it all.
Bards can target what they can't see. A little bit unfair. If they can't see something, they sing the song so it affects the whole room. This makes it almost pointless to even blind them. The can still defete chara's weak against fire with curse of the abyss. And it costs less than what the 3 spells cost any way, and it drains life, and curses too. So if the bard is blind, they sing the spell, and there isn't any spell deflection, to stop the songs.
So maybe if they are blinded, they can be the target of their own spells, or if they can't see invis, and the spell affects the whole room, they can't affect who they can't see.
Balder
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If blind, targetting is impossible. I know, I've tried. Bards can, however, still use songs to affect the entire room while blind. If is it an attack song, then it is at their own risk to use it and possibly draw more people in the fight against them.
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Nod, the risk of blindly affecting whole room , has been demonstrated, by fact I have been killed by watchers (ie Nibelung) when playing an untargeted song. To take the abiliity to play away from a bard while blind would render useless at least one song (cant remember name, but the one that cures blind).
Once compromise I might think possible, if bard does not have instrument equipped, then they cant find it to play blind.
But I also have been lobbying for an instrument specific wear slot.
And ok, so blinding is useless vs bards. Then use something else. Blind is not and should not be the penultimate pk spell.
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Well something that can balance out the power of some songs would be fair. If a bard can't see what is in the room, then the song shouldn't affect who is there.
If the bard can't see the instrument, then the bard shouldn't be able to play the song. However, Bard should be able to sing if they can't see the instrument, so 1/3 time to play the song if they can't see what they are using to play. However, if the bard is holding the instrument, blind shouldn't affect them.
But on my main focus, Bards have too much of a bonus with songs being able to target other players when blinded, even though they can't see them.
And a comment to what Ithilidan said:
How many times are there more than 2 people in a pk room together? If they are there together, they will be grouped, if they aren't grouped, it is a battle. So if someone comes into the arena to watch you battle during a fight, it doesn't happen often either, most of the time they are likely to be a 120 remort that has no other way to ever kill you and wants to wait for the battle to end, so they can get one more point added to an arena score. So doesn't matter if you cast a song on the room then or later, they are going to attack you cheaply, and interfere with another kill/fight. Which is why there should be a way to make arena battles fairer, so people can’t cheaply kill you after a fight and interfere, it makes arena battles somewhat lame. But that is another topic to be covered.
Balder
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But on my main focus, Bards have too much of a bonus with songs being able to target other players when blinded, even though they can't see them.
Use proper wording, Bard songs can not targe what they dont see. They can hit what the bard doesnt see if untargeted though, hitting something and targeting somthing are 2 different things. The Song is not Blind, The Bard is and if he just sings, without influencing anyone in particular, then it will hit what ever is there.
I still say best compromise would be this. A bard who has instrument in inventory instead of held/wielded wont be able to find it to play it if blind. But if held/wielded he knows where it is, he knows where strings/keys,mouth piece is since he is familiar with the instrument and he can play as normal. And whatever be it player or mob, and mobs can affect outcome of fight (ie people getting forms of plith knights to kill Stiener with them). So playing blind and affecting everything in room is a risk. Even though it might not be from another player.
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Music affects rooms. If you are serious about whining that music shouldn't affect people while blind, then perhaps you should ask for a deafness spell. Anyone who can hear should be affected, plain and simple. Bards are NOT casters. If the ability to affect the room is taken, then bards should get blackjack, hunt and backstab.
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I think bard should be able to play the song, without an argment, and hit stuff in the room when they are blind. The reason being per what Ith said: to be influenced by a magical song you have to hear it, sound eminates from a source and doesn't have to be directed. but you risk hitting other bad folks in the room if you do.
As to target a song specifically on a person you shouldn't be able to do that while blinded, and don't think you can.
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Well… sigh... can't argue with syn. I just don't like the fact also that you can play a song without seeing the instroment you are holding. Sigh... guess I will find another way around it.
Balder
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My instrument, if looked at, is made to resemble a song on the breeze, so technically, all I need is air to play music.
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well son of a bitch… how the hell can i take one someone who plays music with the very air that I breath? Now tell me that isn't fair!!!!!! :)
Balder
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One thing i am disapointed with is that bard songs are not deflected with spell deflection. Yes, bard songs are not casted. However, it is a SPELL deflection, so whether the spell was sung, played, or casted, the affects (ie cure blind, etc) should also have the same chance of being deflected.
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It isn't affected by no-magic rooms, and creatures immune to magic are affected, so while they are spells from other classes, they really aren't magic. A fix that, I didn't realize until the other day fighting Spunky, is that bards could also still play while bashed. Syn said that it is something that will be fixed. A small advantage to get them off sync of playing between rounds at least.
