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There's a lot of things about bards that need to be changed.
A bard illusionist is way overpowered in battle. Songs have spell affects, and spell deflection is meant to deflect spells away from the person. Wouldn't it make sense for the songs to be deflected as well?
Yes, I agree an instrument needs to be held. Not for the same reason though. A bard's music ability in the world of Sentience is based on playing an instrument, not singing or reciting ballads like other bards in other games. This is the reason for instruments being required in order to perform songs. Without holding an instrument, it's not physically possible to play the instrument, reguardless of the restring of the instrument.
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Restrings don't count Ith.
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Sure they do!
And songs are not spells, or magic, for that matter. One could also argue that songs could just be sung without having to use an instrument, in which case a silence spell would put a stop to them.
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Either way it needs to be one or the other. Its either gotta be singing and silencable or an instrument that needs to be held.
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Why not do both? If you don't hold an instrument, can be silenced, because you'd have to be singing. If you're holding one, don't worry so much about the silence, but you miss out on at least one weapon or shield.
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Because if they become silenced they can just remove a weapon and hold the instrument thus making silence and a moonstone completely useless.
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At the same time, the bard is losing a defense and/or an attack per round for having to hold the instrument. There are times where one defense or hit does make quite a difference. Plus, they are restricted from the other spells as well.
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Personally I think instruments should have their own wear slot, very few instruments are just held.
Loss of some attacks while playing would account for using hands to play.
As is, silence effects the vocal chords of the victim. Hence music is not affected. To affect music, Silence would have to engulf the room, or be targeted on the "voice box" of the instrument. Downsides to this, target the instrument and it is a 2nd moonstone used. Room affect and noone in room can cast.
Personally spell trap and spell deflection should work vs all spell like abiliities, so music should be affected by both.
(fyi, my bard does wield instrument to get the affects of it). And still does pretty well in combat, using only one weapon.)
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True, but that would just have to be a penalty for using an instrument. If you can play the instrument through spell deflection and silence, Therefore i really think instruments need to be held.
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I was saying, not be able to play thru spell deflection. And making the instrument targetable or making it room affect for silence. To make silence useful vs music.
And penalty for using instrument should be loss of an attack or two while playing, not every round. IMHO
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If songs are not magical in any way, then how would they have an affect?
even mind influence (charm person) is magical, so saying the song affects the target in that sense still shows magical affect.
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I can play music in no magic rooms. I can dispel, curse, energy drain, blind, etc., mobs immune to magic.
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i don't mean things you can do in the game, i mean give me a reason why songs shouldn't be considered magical.
I don't agree that mobs immune to magic or no magic rooms should allow songs, or at least songs that have an affect.
bards should be able to play songs that have no magical affects!
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Music is a heard affect, which in its own right is "magical." I do think that bard songs should be more tailored to be a unique. For attacking, chords can be song. Minor ones could hit target one person. More elaborate could break vials in inventory, target the whole room. Other songs could give possible effects, like a song of silence, song of death, song of healing, song of sleep, etc. These would be things that are constantly going once the song starts until stopped or silenced.
Music, though, affects moods. I am not all that fond of them doing damage, but with what we have at the moment, it isn't bad. Relaxing someone to drop the affects on themselves, or allowing them to become hardened to the things around them (armor, shield, stone skin), etc. I can't justify all of them, but just some thoughts.
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My two cents..
Allow songs to be played without an instrument in the form of a ballad. Possibly nerfing in the form of a negative penalty to speed, or a penatly in power of the song. Theres no reason they cant entertain without an instrument.
Silence stops playing of songs without holding of an instrument.
Far as spell deflection, i believe the class was made to coincide with a bard, and it is the least popular of classes, do we want to make it worse?
And i believe the 2 things people are angry the most about is the coa nonsense, which ill have to agree on, losing to a player that spams coa is infuriating to say the least. The second would be a player using the illusionist trick. I believe that was the point of illusionist as I said.
Im liking the idea that the spells should be less agressive and perhaps more tricky in the form of confusion in some sort of manner. Some ideas i had were perhaps removing eq at random, false messages, a chance to hit yourself, things like that, perhaps incorporating some jester elements? As for mob effects, the confusion spell could cause them to attack themselves, things like that. The idea that a spell causes a bard to spew forth a fireball, draining life, and raising the fires of hell just is not right. What the hell is in that tuba?
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Alright first off if a bard's song has no effect wtf is the point of having it?? What, should we go play for the mayor or king and get some silver or gold for it?? How many spells are there that do nothing? There would be no point whatsoever to having a song that does absolutely nothing. As far as mess ups with songs it happens. I have gotten hit with backfires a good amount of times. I've died once or twice from CoA backfiring and dispelled myself a time or 2 with another gate. This has happened while having a target and not.
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Music can backfire?? That must be a 1 in a million chance or maybe im a virtuoso?
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i have never heard of music backfiring.
Although getting bashed over the head while playing/singing could make it difficult and could cause music failure, as would spell casting failure.
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imho, it was my understanding that being able to play through silence, or nomagic, was the whole main perk to being bard. after all, do note that if you go bard you don't get backstab (well not unless you go highwayman later), or blackjack. you take away their ability to play through silence and nomagic and you take away their main perk, ALTHOUGH, i will say that it's a nice way to get a few necro skills if you're good aligned *shrug*
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Well you wont belive this but i had coa backfire today heh, first time since playing though, so it is extremely rare.
