Ah thanks for the response Ertai, I love it when the imms tell us mere mortals how things work. If any of you would be so kind as telling us some more formulas and such, im sure it appease the anal bastards among us. One I have been wondering about is just how the armor class system works as I have had a hard time testing that with the randomness of damage. Looking forward to the pmount info though , thanks. :)